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jack kennedy lowers tax rates. >> now you are jack kennedy. >> that is one of more mild ones in the debate last tuesday. some critics are calling biden's performance mocking and bullying. so here is the question we're asking today. are these the qualities that americans want in the next leader? let's bring in our political panel, julie is here fox news contributor and dede is strategist and mary walters a radio talk show host. let's start with you. what kind of influence do you think this will have on the eventually election? >> here is the think. i think biggest influence this guy is one thing by the way from the nuclear code. she laughing about various issues, libya, people dying. it was really weird. it was kind of creepy. this guy jumped on the crazy train and never got it. did it did influence folks knowing this guy could be the president one day. >> heather: what about that? it's not to take that pointed is seriously when he is laughing talking about iran and country getting a nuclear weapon? >> i think he was laughing at ryan. paul ryan is going to be blood by the likes of joe biden
jack kennedy lowers tax rates. >> now you are jack kennedy. >> that is one of more mild ones in the debate last tuesday. some critics are calling biden's performance mocking and bullying. so here is the question we're asking today. are these the qualities that americans want in the next leader? let's bring in our political panel, julie is here fox news contributor and dede is strategist and mary walters a radio talk show host. let's start with you. what kind of influence do you...
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. >> jack kennedy. >> now you're jack kennedy. >> i think the vice president very well knows sometimes the words don't come out of your mouth the right way. i know you're under a lot of duress to make up for a lost round. >> the fox news crowd could hardly contain its distaste to biden's performance. >> i don't believe i have ever seen a debate in which one participant was as openly disrespectful of the other as biden was to paul ryan tonight. >> it was so disrespectable i agree with chris wallace. it was sort of almost unprecedented and hugely condescending. >> on msnbc where the gang was so depressed over president obama's lackluster outing the mood was downright celebratory. >> this was joe bide and he gave president obama's campaign a much needed victory. >> it was a man against a boy. >> so how did the media fall in analyzing and could we be possibly exaggerating its importance. joing me now kelly goff politil correspondent for the root.com. and steve watkins, president of public affairs after george washington university and david frum, a cnn contributor and contributing editor f
. >> jack kennedy. >> now you're jack kennedy. >> i think the vice president very well knows sometimes the words don't come out of your mouth the right way. i know you're under a lot of duress to make up for a lost round. >> the fox news crowd could hardly contain its distaste to biden's performance. >> i don't believe i have ever seen a debate in which one participant was as openly disrespectful of the other as biden was to paul ryan tonight. >> it was so...
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ruing the a lack of preparation that led to the performance with jack kennedy 11 years before. >> running the [ bleep ] schedule is so hard, we didn't learn from the other -- >> reporter: yet, for all the hype, there's little evidence that debates make much difference in election outcomes. in an nail sis of the ten presidential contests between 1960 and 2008, abc news found just one where a debate appearance seemed to change the election. it was 1980. >> are you better off than you were four years ago? >> reporter: when president ronald reagan uttered that one line. president obama hopes that one exception is the only one. >> that debate. what happened? >> coverager romney had a good night. i had a bad night. >> how bad? >> it's not the first time i had a bad night. what is important is the fundamental of what this race is about haven't changed. >> karl rove wrote that the first debate will be seen as the decision point in this election. do we make too big a deal out of debates? or does mr. rove have a point? >> we make too big a deal in that it's hard to argue that debates test or reveal
ruing the a lack of preparation that led to the performance with jack kennedy 11 years before. >> running the [ bleep ] schedule is so hard, we didn't learn from the other -- >> reporter: yet, for all the hype, there's little evidence that debates make much difference in election outcomes. in an nail sis of the ten presidential contests between 1960 and 2008, abc news found just one where a debate appearance seemed to change the election. it was 1980. >> are you better off...
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. >> now you are jack kennedy. [laughter] >> republicans and democrats have worked together on this. i understand you guys are not used to doing bipartisan deals. that is how you get things done. >> the republican congress working? 7% rating? >> mitt romney was governor of massachusetts. he did not demonize them, he did not demagogue them. he met with those party leaders every week. he did not compromise principles. he balanced the budget. >> why isn't he contesting massachusetts? >> what would you suggest beyond raising taxes on the wealthy? >> let the taxes expire like they were supposed to on these millionaires. we cannot afford $800 billion going to people making a minimum of a million dollars. they do not need it, martha. those 120,000 families make $800 million a year. why is my friend -- >> can you declare anything off- limits? home mortgage deductions? >> this taxes a million small businesses. >> 97% of the small businesses make less than $250,000 a year. >> this taxes a million people. >> 97%. >> and you'r
. >> now you are jack kennedy. [laughter] >> republicans and democrats have worked together on this. i understand you guys are not used to doing bipartisan deals. that is how you get things done. >> the republican congress working? 7% rating? >> mitt romney was governor of massachusetts. he did not demonize them, he did not demagogue them. he met with those party leaders every week. he did not compromise principles. he balanced the budget. >> why isn't he...
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jack kennedy, ronald reagan. biden: now your jack kennedy? gerri: that was a cheap shot. bided was wrong when he claimed lower tax rates never had higher revenues. 1920's were slashed from 70% down a 20%. there rose 60%. kennedy cut across the board with the top rate down at 70%. tax revenues jump. ronald reagan proposed sweeping tax rate reduction and the result revenues up 99%. biden: we made sure we cut taxes for the middle-class. gerri: not even close to trooper release seven taxes from obamacare ball directly on the middle class. the tax for not having health care insurance. obamacare taxed the many in the name of flexible spending account in those to deduct from taxes. i could go on and on. joe biden scored big points claiming hedge funds would benefit. biden: 90% of small business america make less than $250,000. others are hedge funds making $600 billion per year that counts as the small business. gerri: hedge fund? the irs says they fall within the household of the top two brackets that the administration wants to raise taxes. and more than half of americans. vic
jack kennedy, ronald reagan. biden: now your jack kennedy? gerri: that was a cheap shot. bided was wrong when he claimed lower tax rates never had higher revenues. 1920's were slashed from 70% down a 20%. there rose 60%. kennedy cut across the board with the top rate down at 70%. tax revenues jump. ronald reagan proposed sweeping tax rate reduction and the result revenues up 99%. biden: we made sure we cut taxes for the middle-class. gerri: not even close to trooper release seven taxes from...
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remember jack kennedy. it as place to put issues up. what biden is trying to do is energize the base. i thought for most of the debate he made points. the problem was the demeanor and style. then things like you were dealing with. 82 interruptions. it is clear from the polling that we saw from cnn that particular groups of people were not pleased with his demeanor. the most important ones to the democrats and right now for romney, women, young people and with two of the and independents. three groups who were put off by it. i thought ryan missed some opportunities. but it was h his first debate. i thought he could have put biden on his heels on the first benghazi answer. but he didn't. but he had a sold debate and did what he needed to do. biden excited his base but i'm not sure he extended beyond that. >> kelly ann you have said that both biden and obama played into stereo types in the debates. describe what you meaney. >> stereo types for politicians and for male politicians. you don't need a pollster to tell you that women don't like
remember jack kennedy. it as place to put issues up. what biden is trying to do is energize the base. i thought for most of the debate he made points. the problem was the demeanor and style. then things like you were dealing with. 82 interruptions. it is clear from the polling that we saw from cnn that particular groups of people were not pleased with his demeanor. the most important ones to the democrats and right now for romney, women, young people and with two of the and independents. three...
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remember jack kennedy. it as place to put issues up. what biden is trying to do is energize the base. i thought for most of the debate he made points. the problem was the demeanor and style. then things like you were dealing with. 82 interruptions. it is clear from the polling that we saw from cnn that particular groups of people were not pleased with his demeanor. the most important ones to the democrats and right now for romney, women, young people and with two of the and independents. three groups who were put off by it. i thought ryan missed some opportunities. but it was h his first debate. i thought he could have put biden on his heels on the first benghazi answer. but he didn't. but he had a sold debate and did what he needed to do. biden excited his base but i'm not sure he extended beyond that. >> kelly ann you have said that both biden and obama played into stereo types in the debates. describe what you meaney. >> stereo types for politicians and for male politicians. you don't need a pollster to tell you that women don't like
remember jack kennedy. it as place to put issues up. what biden is trying to do is energize the base. i thought for most of the debate he made points. the problem was the demeanor and style. then things like you were dealing with. 82 interruptions. it is clear from the polling that we saw from cnn that particular groups of people were not pleased with his demeanor. the most important ones to the democrats and right now for romney, women, young people and with two of the and independents. three...
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jack condition did i lowered tax asks increased growth. >> now you're jack kennedy. >> ronald reagan -- gwen: what won? style or sush stance. breaking it down for us tonight. doyle mcmanus of the "los angeles times." alexis simendinger of real clear politics. karen tumulty of "the washington post." and jeff zeleny of "the new york times." >> award winning reporting and analysis. covering history as it happens. live from our nation's capital, this is "washington week with gwen ifill." produced in association with "national journal." corporate funding for "washington week" is provided by -- >> we know why we're here. >> to connect our forces to what they need when they need it. >> to help troops see danger. before it sees them. >> to answer the call of the brave and bring them safely home. >> around the globe, the people of boeing are working together to support and protect all serve. >> that's why we're here. >> this rock has never stood still. since 1875, we've been there for our clients through good times and bad. when their needs changed, we were there to meet them. through the yea
jack condition did i lowered tax asks increased growth. >> now you're jack kennedy. >> ronald reagan -- gwen: what won? style or sush stance. breaking it down for us tonight. doyle mcmanus of the "los angeles times." alexis simendinger of real clear politics. karen tumulty of "the washington post." and jeff zeleny of "the new york times." >> award winning reporting and analysis. covering history as it happens. live from our nation's capital, this...
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. >> now you're jack kennedy? >> ronald reagan. >> office live very different styles. >> generational. >> you have a candidate from before the baby boom and a candidate from after the baby boom. ryan struck me like the nba who was so smart that he didn't need the powerpoint because he had mastered all the slides by memory where as biden was the corner bar keep or the opinionated uncle at the thanksgiving table. i thought he didn't go too far. i thought biden was more on message, more disciplined and very systematic in raising every issue the democrats wanted to hear raise. ryan's spreefus support for social security privatization. there were people who thought biden was a little on the har up offing side. >> i do. he was smiling, there were times when he did cross the line and when he would seem to be dismissive of paul ryan and i think that's a hard line. and particularly when you're in that split screen and i think biden smiled a little too much when he shouldn't have, and just seemed a little dismissive. >> we'
. >> now you're jack kennedy? >> ronald reagan. >> office live very different styles. >> generational. >> you have a candidate from before the baby boom and a candidate from after the baby boom. ryan struck me like the nba who was so smart that he didn't need the powerpoint because he had mastered all the slides by memory where as biden was the corner bar keep or the opinionated uncle at the thanksgiving table. i thought he didn't go too far. i thought biden was...
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jack kennedy lowered -- >> oh, now you're jack kennedy. >> that is so funny. but in all seriousness, folks, this is a guide but it's also a call to action because at the end of the day, one or two debates shouldn't inspire an entire election. voters need to look at the candidates' record and their platform to make a decision. more importantly your vote matters, but if you're undecided and you don't show up to vote or you can't decide between these two candidates, then come november 6, we may just get the government that we deserve. at the table, glen johnson, politics ed tort at politicsboston.com. and thea butler, religious stois proffers at university of pennsylvania and matt welch editor in chief at "reason" magazine. so nice to have all of you here. thea, is it possible we get the government we deserve? is it possible that wi deserve mitt romney, that 12% of us are undecided. >> i hate to say we deserve mitt romney but we might get him. if people don't pay attention and they're watching more of hon honey boo than they are of the debates, we might get that
jack kennedy lowered -- >> oh, now you're jack kennedy. >> that is so funny. but in all seriousness, folks, this is a guide but it's also a call to action because at the end of the day, one or two debates shouldn't inspire an entire election. voters need to look at the candidates' record and their platform to make a decision. more importantly your vote matters, but if you're undecided and you don't show up to vote or you can't decide between these two candidates, then come november...
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oh, now you are jack kennedy? >>. >> reporter: and the vice president was also responded to by paul ryan. >> i know that you are under duress to get your points across. >> but as the vice president knows words don't always come out of your mouth the right way. >> and i was embarrassed for the vice president, because there were 82 times that joe biden interrupted paul ryan. >> reporter: but also on substance. declaring victory for the running mate, romney seized on what his campaign has been called the biden's benghazi bungle. >> because the vice president directly contradicted the sworn testimony of state department officials. he's doubling down on denial. and we need to understand exactly what happened. >> reporter: but back in the spin room, the obama campaign manager jim massena said it was ryan who was unprepared. >> he got past paul ryan's index talking points and into the details, and that is what the american voters wanted. >> reporter: and ryan will campaign in battleground state of ohio and the other half
oh, now you are jack kennedy? >>. >> reporter: and the vice president was also responded to by paul ryan. >> i know that you are under duress to get your points across. >> but as the vice president knows words don't always come out of your mouth the right way. >> and i was embarrassed for the vice president, because there were 82 times that joe biden interrupted paul ryan. >> reporter: but also on substance. declaring victory for the running mate, romney...
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you're jack kennedy. >> reporter: ryan was able to fire back with a few zingers of his own. >> mr. vice president, mr. vice president i know you are under a lot of dures to make up for lost ground. i think the vice president very well knows sometimes the words don't come out of your mouth the right way. >> reporter: republicans in the post debate spin room tried to make the case, biden filed not only on style. >> quite frankly, i was embarrassed for the vice president. we counted 82 times that joe biden interrupted paul ryan. >> reporter: but also on substance. declaring victory for his running mate romney seized on what his campaign has dubbed biden's benghazi bungle sghp because the vice president contradicted the testimony of state department officials. he's doubling down on denial. and we need to understand exactly what happened. >> reporter: but back in the spin room, obama campaign manager jim messina said it was ryan who proved who was unprepared. >> he got past paul ryan's index talking card points and got to the details. >> reporter: romney will spend part of his weekend c
you're jack kennedy. >> reporter: ryan was able to fire back with a few zingers of his own. >> mr. vice president, mr. vice president i know you are under a lot of dures to make up for lost ground. i think the vice president very well knows sometimes the words don't come out of your mouth the right way. >> reporter: republicans in the post debate spin room tried to make the case, biden filed not only on style. >> quite frankly, i was embarrassed for the vice president....
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. >> jack kennedy lowered tax rates, increased growth. >> now you're jack kennedy. >> here's how cnn scored it, practically a tie. vice president biden's son beau will discuss. first, governor romney on the warpath over libya, saying joe biden is in complete denial when he said during the debate last night the white house had no clue the u.s. consulate in benghazi wanted more security before the deadly attack that killed the ambassador. let's get right to our first guest to talk about it. republican congressman mike rogers, chairman of the house select committee on intelligence. mr. rogers, thank you for joining me. let me ask you straight away about your reaction to this issue that's now blowing up pretty big today about what joe biden said about what was known by we, and i use the word we advisedly. let's play first of all what was said by joe biden and by paul ryan in the debate last night. >> this is becoming more troubling by the day. they first blamed the youtube video. now they're trying to blame the romney/ryan ticket for making this an issue. >> we weren't told they wanted m
. >> jack kennedy lowered tax rates, increased growth. >> now you're jack kennedy. >> here's how cnn scored it, practically a tie. vice president biden's son beau will discuss. first, governor romney on the warpath over libya, saying joe biden is in complete denial when he said during the debate last night the white house had no clue the u.s. consulate in benghazi wanted more security before the deadly attack that killed the ambassador. let's get right to our first guest to...
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. >> now you're jack kennedy? >> the smoke has cleared after the first vice-presidential debate. >> here's the things -- [overlapping dialogue] >> sean: we will recap joe biden's bizarre, strange, weird behavior in last night's showdown. former vice-president dick cheney is here for a "hannity" exclusive interview. >> we weren't told they wanted more security. we did not know they wanted more security. >> sean: tonight, we fact check joe biden. the results are downright embarrassing. how will the obama mania media spin the performances. find out in our weekly segment of media mash. more shocking comments out of the white house over the benghazi coverup. the entire reason that this has become the -- you know, political topic it is is because of mitt romney and paul ryan. >> sean: we are just 25 days from the election. "hannity" starts right here, right now. tonight, the former vice-president of the united states, dick cheney is giving us his exclusive reaction to the debate. first, a recap of the faceoff between cr
. >> now you're jack kennedy? >> the smoke has cleared after the first vice-presidential debate. >> here's the things -- [overlapping dialogue] >> sean: we will recap joe biden's bizarre, strange, weird behavior in last night's showdown. former vice-president dick cheney is here for a "hannity" exclusive interview. >> we weren't told they wanted more security. we did not know they wanted more security. >> sean: tonight, we fact check joe biden. the...
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and for the record congressman ryan wasn't asserting he was any jack kennedy. it's really interesting to seat vice president go off the rails on this particular part of it. because this also was a real set back for president obama in the presidential debate. so i am not sure why he thought he would profit from it. congressman ryan was right. >> the class warfare thing is what they always go back to in times of distress. they think if they scare enough people that romney is all about preserving his own tax breaks and the regular people are going to get shafted. i'm looking at this fox news poll that came out midweek. and it turns out that 49% of those polled say they think the economy is improving. only 42% say it's getting worse. and then in the same poll it says that 42% say the economy is in fair shape while 41% say economic conditions are poor. okay. so, i don't really understand these numbers but apparently 49% of the people think things might not be great now but they are getting better. so, does that hurt romney's ability to make the case for his policies
and for the record congressman ryan wasn't asserting he was any jack kennedy. it's really interesting to seat vice president go off the rails on this particular part of it. because this also was a real set back for president obama in the presidential debate. so i am not sure why he thought he would profit from it. congressman ryan was right. >> the class warfare thing is what they always go back to in times of distress. they think if they scare enough people that romney is all about...
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jack kennedy lowered tax rates, increased growth. ronald reagan... >> oh, now, you're jack kennedy. >> woodruff: abortion also figured as a key issue in the debate. both men are catholics, and they were asked to describe their position, based on their faith. >> i don't see how a person can separate their public life from their private life or from their faith. and i respect people who don't agree with me on this. but the policy of a romney administration will be to oppose abortion, with the exceptions for rape, incest, and life of the mother. >> life begins at conception. that's the church's judgment. i accept it in my personal life. i just refuse to impose that on others, unlike my friend here, the congressman. i do not believe that we have a right to tell other people that women, they... they can't control their body. it's a decision between them and their doctor, in my view. and the supreme court-- i'm not going to interfere with that. >> woodruff: biden warned a conservative supreme court majority would overturn a woman's right t
jack kennedy lowered tax rates, increased growth. ronald reagan... >> oh, now, you're jack kennedy. >> woodruff: abortion also figured as a key issue in the debate. both men are catholics, and they were asked to describe their position, based on their faith. >> i don't see how a person can separate their public life from their private life or from their faith. and i respect people who don't agree with me on this. but the policy of a romney administration will be to oppose...
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. >> it has been done before, jack kennedy lowered taxes and increased growth. >> now are you jack kennedy. >> this is amazing. >> republicans and democrats have worked together on this. >> that's right. >> i understand you aren't used to being by artisan. >> but we told what we were going to do, when we did it with reagan we said here is what we will cut, this is what he said. show the details. >> that is how you get things done, let me say it this way. >> that is coming from the republican congress, working bipartisanly? 7% rating? come on. >> mitt romney was governor of massachusetts where 87% of the legislators he served with were democrats. he didn't demonize them. he didn't demagogue them. he met with those party leaders every week. he reached across the aisle, he didn't compromise principless. >> and you saw what happened. >> he balanced the budget. >> if he did such a great job-- why isn't he even contesting massachusetts. >> what would you suggest beyond raising taxes on the wealthy that would substantially -- >> just let taxes expire like they are supposed to on those millionaire
. >> it has been done before, jack kennedy lowered taxes and increased growth. >> now are you jack kennedy. >> this is amazing. >> republicans and democrats have worked together on this. >> that's right. >> i understand you aren't used to being by artisan. >> but we told what we were going to do, when we did it with reagan we said here is what we will cut, this is what he said. show the details. >> that is how you get things done, let me say it...
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. >>> jack kennedy and paul ryan, perfect together? some things about them that are similar. both young, energetic, vibrant. paul ryan things they have something in common, joe biden not so sure. the republican candidate invoked a camelot era comparison. this time, the issue taxes. >> you can cut tax rates by 20% and preserve important preferences for middle class taxpayers. >> not mathematically possible. >> it's been done before. >> it's never been done before. >> a couple of times. >> never been done before. >> ronald reagan. >> now you're jack kennedy. >> ronald reagan. >> twitter was atwitter about that. that comment got a noticeable reaction from the group of undecided voters i watched during the debate last night. see it blown up there in the bottom of the screen. here is the problem, both kennedy and reagan working in a different time and place. to start, when both kennedy and reagan took office, individual tax rates not even in the ballpark of what we have now. kennedy's plan, enacted after his death, took the top marginal tax rate from 91% to 71% over a two-year per
. >>> jack kennedy and paul ryan, perfect together? some things about them that are similar. both young, energetic, vibrant. paul ryan things they have something in common, joe biden not so sure. the republican candidate invoked a camelot era comparison. this time, the issue taxes. >> you can cut tax rates by 20% and preserve important preferences for middle class taxpayers. >> not mathematically possible. >> it's been done before. >> it's never been done...
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now he's sitting here to make-- >> jack kennedy lowered-- >> now you're jack kennedy. [ chuckling ] >> cenk: even ryan had to laugh at that jack kennedy. you know, jennifer, i've been waiting for so long for someone to say hey you guys started the recession. you created the deficit and so biden finally came out and said it and then he throws the stimulus letters on top to rub it you just played showed the hypocrisy on a number of levels, the hypocrisy about who started the problem to begin with. but the most damning point of the debate for those of us interested in the domestic issues were those stimulus letters. who could ryan say? that's what we do. he says in the letter that it was help to create jobs in his district and he admits it. >> cenk: oops. >> jennifer: oops is right. it goes to speak not just to him but all the republican congressmen who on the one hand are talking up and dising the stimulus, but on the other hand trying to get some for their districts so they could look good. i thought it was a beautiful movement. >> cenk: ultimateabsolutely: now of course a lot of peopl
now he's sitting here to make-- >> jack kennedy lowered-- >> now you're jack kennedy. [ chuckling ] >> cenk: even ryan had to laugh at that jack kennedy. you know, jennifer, i've been waiting for so long for someone to say hey you guys started the recession. you created the deficit and so biden finally came out and said it and then he throws the stimulus letters on top to rub it you just played showed the hypocrisy on a number of levels, the hypocrisy about who started the...
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. >> jack kennedy lower the tax rates. >> now y're jack kennedy. melissa: exhausting right? that is one of many testy changes. an coulter is political conservative commentator and author of, mugged. what do you think, ann? does any of that translate into votes? >> that is the question. that is precisely the question tt i don't think the obama partisans are asking themselves. biden's debate performance was very good gining up partisan zealots supporting obama come hell or high water. but for those crucial independents and undecided voters and also a lot of my gender, his smirking and fake laughter and scoffing, was incredit by off-putting. and i mean, biden reminded you of the worst boss you ever had, the worst boyfriend you ever had. the worst person you have ever met. melissa: there are people who thought that president obama wasn't strupg enough last time around and he came out and really socked it to paul ryan. i just, i wonder, you mentioned the undecided voters. every time i hear that i wonder who is undecided at this point? do you think there are a lot of those folks o
. >> jack kennedy lower the tax rates. >> now y're jack kennedy. melissa: exhausting right? that is one of many testy changes. an coulter is political conservative commentator and author of, mugged. what do you think, ann? does any of that translate into votes? >> that is the question. that is precisely the question tt i don't think the obama partisans are asking themselves. biden's debate performance was very good gining up partisan zealots supporting obama come hell or high...
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kennedy lowered -- >> now you're jack kennedy? >> ronald reagan -- >> let's bring in david cay johnston to sort it out. pulitzer prize winning journalist and author of the book "the fine print: how big companies use plain english to rob you blind." david cay, great to have you with us tonight. >> good to be here. >> isn't ryan supposed to -- you bet. isn't ryan supposed to be the brain of the romney campaign and we're lacking specifics? i mean, wasn't that a poor explanation? >> well, yes, and let me give you his idea of a study. he said there are six studies. three of those six studies are blog posts and one of them is by a research assistant at aei, which is one of the big ideological marketing organizations that pitch you their view of the world just the way companies advertise other products. but blog posts, those are studies that prove things? that's hilarious. >> why doesn't the plan add up? why doesn't his so-called plan for america, the 20% cut, add up? where's the flaw? >> well, it does add up for the very rich. if you li
kennedy lowered -- >> now you're jack kennedy? >> ronald reagan -- >> let's bring in david cay johnston to sort it out. pulitzer prize winning journalist and author of the book "the fine print: how big companies use plain english to rob you blind." david cay, great to have you with us tonight. >> good to be here. >> isn't ryan supposed to -- you bet. isn't ryan supposed to be the brain of the romney campaign and we're lacking specifics? i mean, wasn't...
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. >> jack kennedy lowered tax-- >> now you're jack kennedy. >> if jack kennedy only knew how much he would come up in vice presidential debates i think paul ryan knew where that was going. i'm joined by erol lewis and thomas frank, thank you for sticking around and talking to us. you know, in looking back at this it really taxes the way that they come up in these debates. the thing they're not talking about are mitt romney's taxes. the idea that they can look back and talk about taxes and ryan still getting caught with these lies and then the next day saying that's exactly what we meant to say. how does this work, errol. >> a promise has been made. a big broad promise has been made to splash taxes. it's estimated by a reasonable objective source that this could cost treasury 5 trillion-dollar over ten years. a lot of people are naturally curious. where are you going to get that 5 trillion-dollar, and it's not in this ticket's political best interest to answer this question. let's say they can do this. the mortgage deduction is going to have to go. there are a number of important tax
. >> jack kennedy lowered tax-- >> now you're jack kennedy. >> if jack kennedy only knew how much he would come up in vice presidential debates i think paul ryan knew where that was going. i'm joined by erol lewis and thomas frank, thank you for sticking around and talking to us. you know, in looking back at this it really taxes the way that they come up in these debates. the thing they're not talking about are mitt romney's taxes. the idea that they can look back and talk...